Apologies, I'm a beginner, and I just can't get my head round the dative case. If I understand correctly, all prepositions take that case. I can't find (I'm sure there is one somewhere) a straightforward Gaelic grammar where you can look stuff up. Could someone tell me how to say Donald has fair hair ('S e falt ban a th'air Domhnaill??? or Dhomhnaill? and the same with, say, Seonag and Morag? I think proper nouns (names for example) behave as if they had an article, although they don't, which is why they don't decline the same way as ordinary nouns...is that right?
I am trying to do an exercise (not an assignment which will be marked, don't worry, I'm not cheating) and my head is birling.
Many thanks.
Dative or prepositional case
-
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:13 am
- Language Level: Learner, not fluent
- Corrections: I'm fine either way
- Location: Selkirk
- vb99
- Posts: 28
- Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:57 pm
- Language Level: Beginner
- Corrections: Please correct my grammar
- Location: Minnesota, USA
Dative or prepositional case
Hi - I'm a beginner myself. To your question, you could try Scottish Gaelic in 12 Weeks (O Maolalaigh, 2008) - Lesson 6, Sections 46 and 47 (page67 in my copy) on "The Prepositional Case," followed by using the index under "prepositional (dative) case" and "prepositions" for additional entries on more specific topics. Hope this provides some new information for you. Best wishes. Valerie
Dative or prepositional case
For grammar, some useful online sources are :
akerbeltz:
http://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?titl ... %C3%A0mair
TAIC:
http://taic.me.uk/
For your partucular question about Dative and proper names, see akerbeltz here:
Click on Masc and then Fem nouns, and then the subdivision Proper nouns in each gender.
http://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?titl ... ocative%3F
Basically, in Dative masculine names don't change (an taigh aig Dòmhnall); in feminine names, slenderise (an taigh aig Moraig)
akerbeltz:
http://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?titl ... %C3%A0mair
TAIC:
http://taic.me.uk/
For your partucular question about Dative and proper names, see akerbeltz here:
Click on Masc and then Fem nouns, and then the subdivision Proper nouns in each gender.
http://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?titl ... ocative%3F
Basically, in Dative masculine names don't change (an taigh aig Dòmhnall); in feminine names, slenderise (an taigh aig Moraig)
-
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:08 pm
- Language Level: meadhanach
- Corrections: Please correct my grammar
- Location: Swarthmore, PA agus Seattle, WA (Stàitean Aonaichte)
Dative or prepositional case
There's a reference grammar available as a (free!) pdf download here: https://www.academia.edu/2488427/Scotti ... nd_Edition_
Akerbeltz (both the website and his book, Blas na Gàidhlig), taic, and Scottish Gaelic in 12 Weeks are also resources that I can endorse.
The simplest way to say "Domhnall has red hair" is "Tha falt ruadh air Dòmhnall". You can also say "'S e falt ruadh a tha air Dòmhnall" (lit. "it's red hair that Domhnall has" but the emphasis is on the hair color; you might be contradicting someone who said that Domhnall was dorcha. If you speak a Romance language, fronting works the same way.
Gun soirbhich leibh! (Good luck everyone!)
Akerbeltz (both the website and his book, Blas na Gàidhlig), taic, and Scottish Gaelic in 12 Weeks are also resources that I can endorse.
The simplest way to say "Domhnall has red hair" is "Tha falt ruadh air Dòmhnall". You can also say "'S e falt ruadh a tha air Dòmhnall" (lit. "it's red hair that Domhnall has" but the emphasis is on the hair color; you might be contradicting someone who said that Domhnall was dorcha. If you speak a Romance language, fronting works the same way.
Gun soirbhich leibh! (Good luck everyone!)
-
- Rianaire
- Posts: 1781
- Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:26 am
- Language Level: Barail am broinn baraille
- Corrections: Please don't analyse my Gaelic
- Location: Glaschu
- Contact:
Dative or prepositional case
What he said. But the lenition caused by prepositions aside (taigh > fo bhròg / air a' bhròg), the dative should not be cause for lost sleep at this stage. It has virtually gone from spoken Gaelic and frankly, if you say things like "fon bhròig" most native speakers will put you down as a smartarse Some claim they use it but when you actually check, they don't, they just feel it "ought to be used by other folk"!Basically, in Dative masculine names don't change (an taigh aig Dòmhnall); in feminine names, slenderise (an taigh aig Moraig)
It remains in certain fixed phrases ("am broinn" for example) and in really formal speech (proverbs, speeches to parliament, that kind of thing) but other than that, park it for much later.
Do, or do not. There is no try.
★ Am Faclair Beag ★ iGàidhlig, do charaid airson bathar-bog na Gàidhlig: Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, Skype is mòran a bharrachd ★
★ Am Faclair Beag ★ iGàidhlig, do charaid airson bathar-bog na Gàidhlig: Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, Skype is mòran a bharrachd ★
-
- Rianaire
- Posts: 4607
- Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:26 am
- Language Level: Mion-chùiseach
- Corrections: Please correct my grammar
- Location: Dùthaich mo chridhe
- Contact:
Dative or prepositional case
And most important of all - don't apologize! We were all beginners once, and this sort of question is what this forum was created for.
And don't forget to practice what you're learning, e.g. in the bilingual section
And don't forget to practice what you're learning, e.g. in the bilingual section
Oileanach chànan chuthachail
Na dealbhan agam
Na dealbhan agam