Pronunciation of unstressed -aid

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Pronunciation of unstressed -aid

Unread postby Droigheann » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:35 pm

According to Blas na Gàidhlig rules this should be /-ɪdʲ/ (A19), but there are several words in AFB where the ending is put as /-adʲ/: casaid, cùbaid, eileamaid, pioghaid, trioblaid and probably more. Are these exceptions to the rule? For instance, because some of them started life as compounds, so the ending was initially stressed? (There is also somewhat bemusingly prìobhaideach /prʲiːvadʲəx/ but prìobhaideachd /prʲiːvɪdʲəxg/).



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Unread postby GunChleoc » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:03 am

It might be a dialectal thing. I have a friend fromm Lewis who always says /-adʲ/, even for "mionaid" which has /-ɪdʲ/ in AFB. I tend to say /-ɪdʲ/, but I'm a learner, so I don't count.
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Unread postby akerbeltz » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:04 am

There are two competing rules here. One that says
  • an unstressed vowel before a phonetically palatal consonant will tend towards /ɪ/
and the other
  • -aid tends to be /adʲ/
When I wrote Blas, I decided that given /ɪdʲ/ does occur with native speakers, I'd universalize the first rule but I've since come off generalizing that which is why in AFB, I have started to implement /adʲ/. I should fix that in Blas some time when I find my clone 8-)

I've fixed prìobhaideachd. On the bright side, it is not a hanging offence to flit between /ɪdʲ/ and /adʲ/

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Pronunciation of unstressed -aid

Unread postby Droigheann » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:00 pm

akerbeltz wrote:On the bright side, it is not a hanging offence to flit between /ɪdʲ/ and /adʲ/

Just to make sure: do you mean that I don't have to pick one and stick to it for all words, so it's fine if I say e.g. /karɪdʲ/ but /uːhbradʲ/? (I hope the aswer is yes, it would make life much easier :socair: :) ).

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Unread postby akerbeltz » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:23 am

Yes, just pick one and stick with it :)

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Unread postby Droigheann » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:37 pm

Sgoinneil - mòran taing!