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An t-sean bhliadhna ùr

Unread postby Marshal » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:29 pm

Gabhaibh mo leisgeul, ach chan eil fhios agam carson bha an bliadhna ùr ann an 12 nan Faoilleach :? An robh na mìosan diofaraichte anns a' Ghaidhealtachd?

Sorry, but I don't know why was new year the 12th of January. Were the months different in the Highlands?
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Re: An t-sean bhliadhna ùr

Unread postby poor_mouse » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:30 pm

The 1st January comes according to the Julian calendar ("Old Style" -- OS) later than according to the Gregorian one ("New Style" -- NS) .
From the beginning of the 20th century, the 1st January OS = the 14th January NS.

See the difference between the two calenders here (wiki)
1700–1800 +11
1800–1900 +12
1900–2100 +13
2100–2200 +14

And here (wiki) something about all this stuff.
Because Protestants and Eastern Orthodox Christians did not recognize the authority of the Pope, many European countries did not initially follow the Gregorian reform, and maintained their old-style systems. Eventually other countries followed the reform for the sake of consistency, but by the time the last adherents of the Julian calendar in Eastern Europe (Russia and Greece) changed to the Gregorian system in the 20th century, they had to drop 13 days from their calendars, due to the additional difference between the two calendars accumulated after 1582.

According to the Julian calendar every fourth year is a leap year with 366 days in it, but according to the Gregorian calender (in addition to it), every 100th year has 365 days and every 400th has 366 again. So, the difference grows every 100th year except every 400th. That is why in the beginning of the 20th century the difference increased, but in the beginning of the 21st century it remains the same.

As for the Eastern churches, most of them do not use the whole Gregorian calender, though most of them ... but it's a very complicated story, and rather sad one too. :?
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Re: An t-sean bhliadhna ùr

Unread postby Marshal » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:43 pm

Mìle taing, tha sin uabhasach inntinneach, tha mi a' tuigsinn an-dràsta... is toigh leam an eachdraidh :priob:

"Thousand thanks", it's very interesting, I understand now... I like history

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Unread postby poor_mouse » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:19 pm

'S e ur beatha! Agus Nollaig Chridheil a-rithist -- a-rèir an t-Seann Mhìosachain an uair seo! :)

You are welcome! And Merry Christmas once more -- according to the Old Calendar this time!
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Unread postby Marshal » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:56 pm

Tha sin fìor! Nollaig Chridheil dhuibh cuideachd! :lol:

It's true! Merry Christmas to you too!

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Re: An t-sean bhliadhna ùr

Unread postby faoileag » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:33 pm

Artaigil no dhà an seo sa Ghàidhlig (agus sa Bheurla) mun chuspair sin:
A couple of relevant bilingual articles here:

http://www.seaboardgaidhlig.com/2012/06 ... elic-year/

http://www.seaboardgaidhlig.com/2011/01 ... festivals/

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Unread postby poor_mouse » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:54 am

Mòran taing!
Chunnaic mi a' chiad fhear, ach bha mi air a chall.
I saw the first one, but lost it.

I’m writing this on the 12th of January, the ‘Old’ New Year’s Day from the time before we changed to the Gregorian calendar in 1752. Many places in the Highlands continued to keep this date for the New Year for a hundred years or more, the crofting village of Blarmacfoldach in Lochaber up to the 1950s.
So, when the Gregorian calendar was accepted in Scotland, the 'Old' New Year (the 1st Jan) became the 12th of January, but when it came to Russia (in 1918), for example, it became the 14th of January, because two calenders differ now more than in the 18th century. If the Old Style was kept somewhere in Scotland, the Old New Year would be on the 14th of January of New Style; but it looks as if the day of New Year only was and is preserved by some communities, and so it remains the 12th.

Gabhaibh mo leisgeul, chan urrainn dhomh sgrìobhadh sa Ghàidhlig mu dheidhinn sin, oir chan eil deagh Ghàidhlig agam... :(
Beg your pardon, I cannot write about this in Gaelic, because my Gaelic is not good.
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Re: An t-sean bhliadhna ùr

Unread postby Thrissel » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:57 pm

poor_mouse wrote:a-rèir an Seann Mhìosachan

Shouldn't the seann be lenited in the genitive, a-rèir an t-Seann Mhìosachan :?:

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Re: An t-sean bhliadhna ùr

Unread postby faoileag » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:07 am

Yes, and slenderise mìosachan for the Genitive. :priob:

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Unread postby poor_mouse » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:26 am

A-rèir an t-Seann Mhìosachain, a bheil sin ceart?
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Unread postby GunChleoc » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:33 pm

Tha :)

Is tapadh leibh airson an fhiosrachaidh, bha seo inntinneach dha-rìribh.

And thank you for the info, it was really interesting
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Re: An t-sean bhliadhna ùr

Unread postby Marshal » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:03 am

Sean bhliadhna mhath ùr dhuibh ma-thà! :partaidh:

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Re: An t-sean bhliadhna ùr

Unread postby poor_mouse » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:18 pm

Seann bhliadhna mhath ùr agus dhuibhse!
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