Using Ann for Exists

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Using Ann for Exists

Unread postby AlexAkimov » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:11 am

Recently my course at SMO has covered the use of Tha xxx ann to denote "existence" ie. there is/it is etc

* Tha an t-uisge ann : Rain is existing = there is rain = It is raining
* Tha bùth ann : A shop is existing = There is a shop

Very handy structure, but I'm a bit unclear when it comes to extending beyond the above, such as with the following 2 examples:

* There is a shop in Biggar
* There is a shop on our street

I think these 2 phrases could work with or without the "exists" ie.

* Tha bùth ann ann am Biggar OR Tha bùth ann am Biggar
* Tha bùth ann air an t-sràid againn OR Tha bùth air an t-sràid againn

My question is is there a right and a wrong time to use the ann for existence. The above examples work without it and the "ann ann" looks a bit clunky. Would these examples sound different to a Gaelic ear? I like the ann for existence concept but would worry about overusing it.



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Unread postby jeltzz » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:27 am

As I understand things, the versions with 'existential ann' sound more correct to my ear, if you are saying/emphasising "There is a shop..."

The double 'ann ann' is not such a problem, it might look a little odd in writing, but if I were saying "Tha bùth ann ann am Biggar" these would be grouped together as two phrases, with a slight pause between the two: "Tha bùth ann.. ann am Biggar", with a bit of emphasis falling on the first "ann".

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Unread postby AlexAkimov » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:42 am

Thanks, jeltzz. I do like the 'existential ann', just worried I might use it too much and perhaps make the sentence sound focused in the wrong places.

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Unread postby GunChleoc » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:25 pm

Tha bùth ann am Biggar
Tha bùth air an t-sràid againn

Those constructions are enough to denote that it's there, so no extra "ann " is needed
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Unread postby Níall Beag » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:17 pm

Many languages don't have any "there is"/"there are" and would just say "a house is" for "there is a house".
English is the other extreme, saying there must always be there is/are for existential. However, centuries ago you would have been looked at funny for saying "there's a house there", because you're saying "there" twice, or for saying "there's a house here", because you should make up your mind -- is it there or here?

Gaelic's in between. If something exists, it must exist somewhere. "ann" in this case is the "it" of places. I'm not specifying where -- you know where I'm talking about, so I don't need to. If I tell you explicitly where it is, I don't say "there".

This, like many things, is changing under the influence of English, but as a learner, I focus on conservative forms and use them until I find that nobody else does.