Stress in compound nouns

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Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by Lughaidh » Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:50 pm

Hallò

I'd like to ask on what syllable does the stress fall in compound words like "fo-bhaile" "ann-stealladh", "luath-mharcachd " "làr-ìosal"...
when the first element is not a noun, in particular

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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by GunChleoc » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:45 pm

On the first element, except for làr-ìosal.

If the first element is a prefix that isn't inflected and lenites the second element, then it carries the stress.
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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by akerbeltz » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:12 am

It's a bit more complicated than that, check out this page perhaps and see if that helps and we can then take it further?

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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by Lughaidh » Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:11 am

Tapadh leibh :)

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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by Lughaidh » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:40 pm

Cha d'fhuair mi an fhreagairt ma dheidhinn an prefix ann-! san fhacal "ann-stealladh" chan eil sèimheachadh chionn's nach sèimhichear "st-" uair sam bith... :(
ANN-stealladh neo ann-STEAlladh mar sin?

agus dè mar a fhuaimnichear "ann-" mar phrefix annashin? [aunˠ]? [anˠ]? [ənˠ]?

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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by GunChleoc » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:17 pm

I'm not familiar with the word, but I'd stay the stress is on ann-, like I said in my other post ;)
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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by akerbeltz » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:21 pm

It tends to be of the modifying part of the noun i.e. in a compound, there is usually a 'basic' meaning provided by one word which is then modified in more detail by the other. For example sgian-dubh has the base sgian and the modifier dubh, taigh-tasgaidh has the base taigh and the modifier tasgaidh. When in doubt, assume that the stress is on the modifier, not the base.

Not too dissimilar to English cf white house vs WHITEhouse, blue bottle vs BLUEbottle

Make sense?

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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by poor_mouse » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:58 am

As for 'ann-',
Am Faclair Beag wrote:ann-dòchas /ãũN dɔːxəs/
fir. gin. -ais
despair, despondency
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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by GunChleoc » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:10 pm

Ah, so ann- means the same as an-/ana- :)
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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by faoileag » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:21 pm

'ann-' usually means 'in-'

ann-leag = inlay, ann-stealladh = inject.

The an/ana- prefix is either an intensifier (in Irish: an=very) eg- ana-mhòr = huge.

OR a negative prefix eg an-earbsach - distrustful.

ann-dòchas is given as a (secondary) equivalent to an-dòchas in Dwelly (along with several other examples of ann- = an), i.e. the ann- in that case = an = negative.

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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by akerbeltz » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:31 pm

ann-dòchas is given as a (secondary) equivalent to an-dòchas in Dwelly (along with several other examples of ann- = an), i.e. the ann- in that case = an = negative.
Yes, the reason that AFB shows ann-dòchas rather than an-dòchas is the editorial rule that if two or more variants exists, the one that closest resembles the actual pronunciation is listed as the primary spelling. Hence also co-ionnann (as opposed to co-ionnan or co-ionann) where GOC just picks a random version but AFB lists =ionnann because the most widespread pronunciation has two strong /N/ sounds.

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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by GunChleoc » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:10 am

That makes sense!
Oileanach chànan chuthachail
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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by Lughaidh » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:58 pm

So ann-stealladh is stressed on ann- ? to say injection
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Re: Stress in compound nouns

Unread post by GunChleoc » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:12 am

Yes.
Oileanach chànan chuthachail
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