Ceistean

Unread post by **akerbeltz** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:06 am

You can follow or not follow GOC as you please. Not everyone in Scotland does and few people in Canada do.

Gramatically you're 100% right conceptually but the forms are not quite right, it should have been
Éirigh na gréine os cionn a' chnuic an-diugh

Cnoic does appear as a genitive but it's rather rare, most commonly it's cnuic. An coin is dogs

An Gobaire · Unread post by **An Gobaire** » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:28 pm

There's a nice handy verb in Gaelic for this kind of scene.

A' ghrian ag òireadh thar mullach na beinne/a' chnuic

~Sìle~ · Unread post by **~Sìle~** » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:33 pm

akerbeltz wrote: You can follow or not follow GOC as you please. Not everyone in Scotland does and few people in Canada do.

Gramatically you're 100% right conceptually but the forms are not quite right, it should have been
Éirigh na gréine os cionn a' chnuic an-diugh

Cnoic does appear as a genitive but it's rather rare, most commonly it's cnuic. An coin is dogs

Obh obh! I only remembered to lenite, and missed the change in vowels for the genitive, didn't I?

Aside from the glaring spelling error with 'cionn' that is.

Mòran taing.

Unread post by **GunChleoc** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:50 am

Na gabh dragh mu na mearachdan - cha dèanar buannachd gun chall.

Unread post by **akerbeltz** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:08 am

A' ghrian ag òireadh thar mullach na beinne/a' chnuic

Did you mean èireadh? Or is this a new word for the Faclair Beag

Unread post by **akerbeltz** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:10 am

Obh obh! I only remembered to lenite, and missed the change in vowels for the genitive, didn't I? Aside from the glaring spelling error with 'cionn' that is.

Heavens, don't beat yourself up. Basically all your errors were superficial. You got the bones of it totally right, fixing the rest is easy, so take a donut

An Gobaire · Unread post by **An Gobaire** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:12 am

akerbeltz wrote:
A' ghrian ag òireadh thar mullach na beinne/a' chnuic
Did you mean èireadh? Or is this a new word for the Faclair Beag

It's on Page 29 of Tron Bhogha-Froise Sgeulachdan is Bàrdachd. Written in the Glencoe/Argyll Gaelic of Alasdair MacAonghais nach maireann. No accent. The subject has climbed up a cliff to the top, and as he arrives at the summit ..."Bha a' ghrian dìreach ag oireadh thar mullach na beinne agus bha a' mhadainn a-nise sèimh, chiùin."

I took it to mean, yes, that the sun was rising, but that this word was connected to "oir" meaning edge, border, margin, rim, and the view of the sun that the subject has. So I understood it to mean that the edge of the sun was just beginning to come into view over the top of the mountain, or alternatively that the sun is appearing over the edge of the mountain, as it were.

Unread post by **akerbeltz** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:39 am

Is it òireadh or oireadh? You've spelled it both way now

Unread post by **akerbeltz** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:11 am

Addendum: hm, just found another instance in Sàr-obair nam bàrd:
Dheanainn treabhadh ri oireadh
's dheanainn cur anns an oidhche

I wasn't doubting you, by the way, but the number of spelling variations and downright typos in printed Gaelic is so mind-boggling, I'm always suspicious of single incidents of unusual words. So I always try and corroborate before I enter something in the dictionary.

An Gobaire · Unread post by **An Gobaire** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:26 am

No problem.

It's "oireadh", no accent, in Tron Bhogha-Froise.

~Sìle~ · Unread post by **~Sìle~** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:31 pm

Tha ceist eile agam:

A bheil seo ceart: "Chan eil fìos agam nuair mi 'tighinn a Cheap Breatainn."

A behil seo ceart: "Bhiodh. Bhithinn a' creidsinn gum bi stoirm ann a-màireach."

Tha a' cheist a toiseach le "Am biodh tu ..."

Unread post by **GunChleoc** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:00 am

Chan eil fios agam cuin a thig mi a Cheap Breatainn.

Tha an dàrna rosgrann ceart, ach bhiodh "Chreidsinn-sa" an àite "Bhithinn a' creidsinn" na bu ghrinne.

Unread post by **Níall Beag** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:24 pm

"nuair" comes for "an uair" -- the time/at the time. It's never a question.

~Sìle~ wrote: A behil seo ceart: "Bhiodh. Bhithinn a' creidsinn gum bi stoirm ann a-màireach." Tha a' cheist a toiseach le "Am biodh tu ..."

When answer "am biodh tu" with a short answer (i.e. equivalent to yes/no) you use "Bhithinn", not "biodh". (Unless you speak a dialect that has lost bithinn completely and says "bhiodh mi", but there's not many pkaces where that's normal among older speakers.

Unread post by **faoileag** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:59 am

The standard teaching books indicate that you use Biodh as Yes after any conditional question (or the third-person form of whatever verb is used), i.e. even if the question is with 'tu' and the answer is "I would".

E.g. TYG / COmplete Gaelic Units 21,22
and TAIC:
http://taic.me.uk/pdf/Lesson11.PDF
http://www.taic.me.uk/pdf/Lesson29.PDF

This may of course be just 'learner rule' stuff, and not observed by native speakers, but it's what I learned and teach. Any comments from our board experts?

ithinkitsnice · Unread post by **ithinkitsnice** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:09 pm

I'm a learner, but for what it's worth my native speaker teacher teaches it as Sìle and Faoileag have it, so that's what I go with.

e.g.

Q: Am biodh tu a' dol?
A: Bhiodh. Bhithinn a' dol.

That makes sense to me anyway, since bhithinn incorporates the pronoun.

edit: GnG (p.115), SG12W (p.137) and Gaelic Verbs (p.27) say same.

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