'marag dhubh' no 'marag dubh'?

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'marag dhubh' no 'marag dubh'?

Unread post by ithinkitsnice » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:25 pm

My understanding of the grammar rules, and the dictionaries, tell me it should be 'marag (f) dHubh', but I see 'marag dubh' a lot.

Is the lenition being (selectively) blocked?

Obviously -g and dh- are articulated quite near each other, I'm not sure that's going to block lenition though — is just that people find it easier to articulate unlenited 'dubh' after -g, so are reasonably dropping it? Or is it an error that's become stuck.



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Re: 'marag dhubh' no 'marag dubh'?

Unread post by akerbeltz » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:50 pm

A cursory google search suggests that most of the incidents of marag dubh are by English speakers/writers. There is nothing in the sound or grammar rules of Gaelic that would suggest marag dubh is right in Gaelic. English of course is a case of make it up as you go along, so anything goes really ;)

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Re: 'marag dhubh' no 'marag dubh'?

Unread post by ithinkitsnice » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:49 pm

Taing.

Tha mi airson pìosan marag-dhubh a-nis…

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Re: 'marag dhubh' no 'marag dubh'?

Unread post by GunChleoc » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:52 pm

And with the genitive: pìosan maraig-duibh(e)

An doir thu pìos dhith dhomh?
Oileanach chànan chuthachail
Na dealbhan agam

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Re: 'marag dhubh' no 'marag dubh'?

Unread post by ithinkitsnice » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:35 am

ah, dhìochuimhnich mi sin.

Ach càit an deach an 'H' bho 'duibhe'?

Duilich, dh'ithe mi a h-uile pìosan. Gheibh mi tè eile nuair a bhios mi ann an Steòrnabhagh an ath-thuras.

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Re: 'marag dhubh' no 'marag dubh'?

Unread post by MarcMacUilleim » Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:45 am

ithinkitsnice wrote:dh'ithe mi a h-uile pìosan
dh'ith mi a h-uile nam pìosan.

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Re: 'marag dhubh' no 'marag dubh'?

Unread post by GunChleoc » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:44 am

ithinkitsnice wrote:Ach càit an deach an 'H' bho 'duibhe'?
Dh'ith an tuiseal ginideach i ;)

There is quite a bit of discussion going on about how to form compound nouns. I like to inflect (= apply cases) to the adjectives in noun-adjective combinations whenever they come with a hyphen.

Seo a' mharag-dhubh
Dh'ith mi pìosan na maraige-duibhe
Tha min-choirce anns a' mharaig-dhuibh (seann-nòsach) no anns a' mharag-dhubh (ùr-nòsach)
Dh'ith mi uighean le maraig-dhuibh (seann-nòsach) no le marag-dhubh (ùr-nòsach)

Seo na maragan-dubha
Dh'ith mi pìosan nam maragan-dubha
Oileanach chànan chuthachail
Na dealbhan agam

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