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Unread post by Droigheann » Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:45 pm

From BBC News:

"Ach tha cho anmoch is a chuir Comhairle Earra-Ghàidheal is Bhòid sanas-obrach a-mach airson tidsear Gàidhlig fhaighinn ga fhàgail gu math ao-coltach gum faigh iad neach a tha deònach gluasad dhan sgìre [...]"

Is this usage of "anmoch" common? My dictionaries qualify that the word means "late in the day", implying that otherwise "fadalach" should be used.



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Unread post by akerbeltz » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:11 pm

No that's kosher. Fadalach would mean it was too late whereas anmoch just means it was late but not too late
(moch) tràth » anmoch » ceann-ama » fadalach

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Unread post by Droigheann » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:01 pm

Aha, so if I want to say that something happened "late in the morning" as a simple statement of fact, it would be "anmoch sa mhadainn", while "fadalach sa mhadainn" would give the impression that (at least in my opinion) it should have happened earlier? As in, "dhùisg mi anmoch sa mhadainn" (because I had a day off and could afford a lie-in) vs "dhùisg mi fadalach sa mhadainn" (because I drank too much the night before and overslept)?

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Unread post by akerbeltz » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:27 pm

Anmoch has no specific reference to "morning", certainly not since it displaced tràth. Think of it this way, you don't have to start making excuses for being late until you're fadalach. You can arrive anmoch at 8pm if the thing you're going to starts at 9pm. If you arrive at 10pm, you're fadalach and excuses are in order.

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Unread post by Níall Beag » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:11 am

Anmoch is something that is scheduled late.
Fadalach is later than scheduled.

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Unread post by GunChleoc » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:23 am

Thoir sùil air an fhacal "fadal" cuideachd is tuigidh tu nas fhearr dè as ciall dha fhadalach.
Oileanach chànan chuthachail
Na dealbhan agam

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Unread post by Droigheann » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:09 pm

akerbeltz wrote: Anmoch has no specific reference to "morning", certainly not since it displaced tràth. Think of it this way, you don't have to start making excuses for being late until you're fadalach. You can arrive anmoch at 8pm if the thing you're going to starts at 9pm. If you arrive at 10pm, you're fadalach and excuses are in order.
I can understand the rest but how has anmoch/late replaced tràth/early? Anyway, my question was rather whether I can use anmoch in connection with madainn, I didn't mean I thought it specific to it.
GunChleoc wrote: Thoir sùil air an fhacal "fadal" cuideachd is tuigidh tu nas fhearr dè as ciall dha fhadalach.
Deagh chomhairle, cha robh mi eòlach roimhe air na seaghan eile aig "fadal" seach "longing".

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Unread post by akerbeltz » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:19 pm

I can understand the rest but how has anmoch/late replaced tràth/early? Anyway, my question was rather whether I can use anmoch in connection with madainn, I didn't mean I thought it specific to it.
That as a messy way of putting it, my bad. It used to be
moch «» anmoch
but it has been
tràth «» anmoch
in Scottish Gaelic for a long time.

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Unread post by Droigheann » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:13 pm

Ah, it's completely clear now. My mistake was that before I began this thread I thought there were [in today's Gaelic as well] simply two pairs of opposites, moch vs anmoch and tràth vs fadalach.

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