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Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:22 pm
by Seonaidh
I do not actually think Niall's attacking the idea of immersion learning. Rather, he's pointing out that one should - how they put it - caveat emptor, or watch out for fantastic claims. Mar a thuirt an Dear Leader (Daibhidh Camshron), "Calm down, dear!"

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:35 am
by Fear na coille
One of the students wrote:“I am definitely more confident with my Gaelic today than I was four days earlier.”

I'm not sure this qualifies as a fantastic claim. Maybe if the student said "I have now mastered the Gaelic language, having enrolled in this groundbreaking course" I know real people don't speak that way except in Advertisements, and Infomercials.

N Beag is surely thoughtful in his analysis of learning methods, and very correct to point out any dubious claims made by organizations. I just like to hear all sides of the debate including testimonials from participants.

Air mo shocair a Sheonaidh!

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:40 pm
by Thrissel
Fear na coille wrote:One of the students wrote:“I am definitely more confident with my Gaelic today than I was four days earlier.”

I'm not sure this qualifies as a fantastic claim.
Neither am I.

But Níall Beag wrote: "Most quotes I see for any language class (in any language) are from what I call "false beginners". Without knowing how much they'd studied before entering the classroom, it's actually quite hard to evaluate their feedback...." and I'm not sure this qualifies as a zealous and perhaps priggish way to attack immersion learning.

Pax, a h-uile duine :priob: ...

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:06 pm
by Fear na coille
O.K. Gabh mo leisgeul, the presidential election/primary is heating up here, inflamitory rhetoric and all, sure it has parked somewhere in my subconscious.

Looks like I was trying to skin an amaoba.. Tha mi duilich Mhst Beag.

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:18 pm
by Gordon
Hi a h-uile duine,

These comments are excellent and understandable. I think everyone is very passionate about Gaelic as I am and our main aim in these courses is to help people to become confident Gaelic speakers , create bonds with Gaelic speaking families and enjoy the Isle of Lewis - geography, landscape and nature.

Some of our students had already been on Gaelic courses , others hadn't - after the end of the four days, it was great to see us having little conversations in Gaelic in the Woodlands Centre and enjoying using the newly learned phrases with our peers at the same Gaelic level. Fun to use it, to help each other, etc

We're recruiting for full-time students at any level , so send me a message if you want to enrol on the course.

We also have a Hebridean Gaelic Experience which is a two week Gaelic course in the summer (Hebridean Celtic Festival Weekend) where there are langauge classes and excursions round the island.

Thanks for your support and interest and keep the debate going!

Best wishes,
Gordon Murray
MiLC

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:44 pm
by Níall Beag
Fear na coille wrote:Why not adopt a holistic approach?
Which was exactly the point of my statement.
(Which, incidentally, was not specifically aimed at immersion learning -- I said any course, and any language.)

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:35 am
by Fear na coille
A rithist tha mi duilich..

My reaction was over-blown, if anything is gained it may perhaps be a clarification of your position, as I was alarmed by what seemed to me extraordinary effort on your part in casting doubt on the effectiveness of this course. I beg your pardon for any misunderstanding of your fair estimation of this or any course. Ma bhiomaid anns a' bhàr feumaidh mi deòch ri ceannaich. Dè ghabhas sibh?

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:59 am
by conmaol
Discussion on this forum is always forthright! But then many members have known each other for a number of years. The challenge for 2012 is to maintain honest argument without alienating newbies, at least to some extent.

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:32 am
by sr3nitygirl
Ah well, as so often happens with "plans", they "gang aft agley"...

Don't think I'm going to make the trip this year after all.

Next year, perhaps!

Still, at least the course discussion was useful!

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:33 pm
by GunChleoc
Hope you can make it next year :D

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:46 pm
by sr3nitygirl
I hope so too, a GhunChleoc.

At least I did find out one little bit of good news.

The ACGA (of which I am a member) is working with folks in Arizona to put together an immersion weekend in April (I think) in Flagstaff, Arizona.

It's a bit far from where I am in Baltimore, but probably cheaper to get to than Glasgow :)

Re: Short courses (immersion?)

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:08 pm
by faoileag
I saw it advertised on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/An-Comunn ... 5317028487

19 - 22 April.


Tha mi duilich nach bi thu ann an Alba am bliadhna, ach tha mi an dòchas gur urrainn dhut a bhith ann am Flagstaff an àite sin!