Òran Gàidhlig na Seachdain?

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Re: Òran Gàidhlig na Seachdain?

Unread postby poor_mouse » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:48 am

Leugh mi "Òran a' Gheòidh" (BBC Foghlam).
Gu mì-fhortanach, chan urrain dhomh èisteachd ris ("Not available in your area").
An ann a' seinn a tha iad an-sin no a' leughadh? (Do they sing or read it there?)
Ma tha duine a' seinn an òrain seo an-sin, bu mhath dhomh bruidhinn ma dheidhinn anns a' chuspair seo.
(I'd like to discuss it here if they sing it).


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Unread postby GunChleoc » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:31 pm

It says "Ag aithris an dàn", so it's a piece of read poetry. You are still welcome to discuss it though :D
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Unread postby poor_mouse » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:11 pm

Ah, that's it!

Is fìor thoil leam an t-òran sin; 's ann comhardaidhean agus uaithnean a tha ann san riaghailt cheart gu dearbh, agus 's e rud annasach a tha ann san fhicheadamh linn.
Ach chan eil mi ga thuigsinn gu leòr.
An toiseach:
Chuala mi 'n gèadh a' tighinn on iar
S a-mach dhan an t-sliabh sheòl e –
Chaidh siudach mar sgian nam chridhe gu fìor
Is dh'fhàg e mo chiall brònach.

A bheil sin mu dheidhinn aon gèadh no a bheil sin a' ciallachadh geòidh (sgaoth)?
Cha bhi geòidh ag itealaich gu tric na aonar, air leth, am bi?

I do like this song (poem); there are good rhymes and internal rhymes in it, and this is a rare, uncommon thing in the 20th century.
But I do not understand the poem completely.
First stanza: is it about one goose or does it mean geese (a flight of them)? (The singular form might be put here instead of the plural form, is it possible?)
Geese do not fly separately, alone very often, does they?
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Re: Òran Gàidhlig na Seachdain?

Unread postby EowynAnduin » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:32 pm

poor_mouse wrote:Geese do not fly separately, alone very often, does they?[/i]


The Canadian Geese are most often seen in a flock "V" shaped. They mate for life. They do fly solo but fairly rarely.

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Unread postby AlasdairBochd » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:51 pm

Seo m'oidhirp fhèin.

Chuala mi 'n gèadh a' tighinn on iar
I heard the goose coming from the west (one goose)
S a-mach dhan an t-sliabh sheòl e –
and out to the mountain he sailed
Chaidh siudach mar sgian nam chridhe gu fìor
went swinging (siùdach?) like a knife in my heart truly
Is dh'fhàg e mo chiall brònach.
and he left my sense sorrowful

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Unread postby poor_mouse » Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:57 am

Tapadh leibh!

Seadh, tha fhios agam gu bheiil "gèadh" a' ciallachadh "(one) goose" gu litireil; mar sin, chan fhaod e "geese" a chiallachadh idir, am faod?

B' àbhaist dhan bhàrd (Dòmhnall Ruadh Chorùna) sealg nuair a bha e òg; ach sgrìobh e an t-òran sin aig deireadh a bheatha.
Bu toil leis sealg gu dearbh, ach cha b' urrainn dha sealg tuilleadh.
Bha a fhradharc air falbh agus mar sin bha e a' sgrìobh gun cuala e gèadh (chan fhaca e e).

I know that "gèadh" means "(one) goose"; so, it couldn't mean "geese" in any case, could it? (Some words are used in singular form instead of plural, but I don't know what about this thing in Gaelic).

The poet (Donald Red from Corùna) used to hunt when he was young; but he wrote this song at the end of his life.
He did really like hunting, but he couldn't hunt any more.
His sight was lost, so he was writing that he heard goose (and not saw it).
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Unread postby poor_mouse » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:03 am

Alasdair, tha iad (BBC Foghlam) ag ràdh: "siudach -- siud, an rud sin (Gàidhlig Uibhisteach)"; mar sin chan e "siùdach" a tha ann.
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Unread postby GunChleoc » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:24 pm

Bhon cho-theags, saoilidh mi nach eil e a' bruidhinn ach mu aon ghèadh.
From context I think he's talking about one goose only.

You are correct though that Gaelic sometimes likes to use the singular where English would use the plural:

Tha a' mheanbh-chuileag dona an-diugh.
The midges are bad today.
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Unread postby poor_mouse » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:20 am

Ach ciamar a tha sibh a' faicinn seo bhon cho-theacsa?
Bha mi den bheachd nach robh am bàrd a' cluinntinn aon ghèadh ag itealach "dhan an t-sliabh", oir bhiodh an fhuaim seo ro ìosal (ro bheag).
Ach tha e coltach gu bheil sibh ceart agus chuala e aon ghèadh a' thighinn agus a' falbh.
Cha chuireadh am bàrd "Òran a' Gheòidh" mar ainm air an òran nan geòidh, chuieadh e?

But how do you see that from context?
I thought that the poet didn't hear one goose flying "to the mountain", because such a sound is too soft.
But maybe you right and he heard one goose coming and going away.
The poet wouldn't put "The song of the goose" as a name for the song of the geese, would he?

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Unread postby AlasdairBochd » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:35 am

poor_mouse wrote:Alasdair, tha iad (BBC Foghlam) ag ràdh: "siudach -- siud, an rud sin (Gàidhlig Uibhisteach)"; mar sin chan e "siùdach" a tha ann.


Tapadh leatsa, a Luchag :). Bidh mi a' bruidhinn ri fear à Uibhist a Deas Disathairne. Cuiridh mi iongantas air ;)

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Unread postby poor_mouse » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:17 am

Bidh sin sgoinneil! Nach innis sibh dhuinn dè bhios am fear seo a ràdh? :?
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Re: Òran Gàidhlig na Seachdain?

Unread postby poor_mouse » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:13 pm

Cumaidh mi orm a-nis; seo an dàrna rann:
Tha mise nis dall, cha ghluais mi ach mall,
Tha nì na mo cheann neònach;
Cha tèid mi dhan ghleann gu Lochan an Fhaing
Ged gheibhinn na th' ann còmhla.

Tha mi a' tuigsinn na ciad loidhne (I am blind now, I don't move but slowly (awkwardly)),
ach dè mu dheidhinn nì (=thing?) a tha neònach ann an ceann a' bhàird?
A bheil sin a' ciallachadh car "coo-coo", "strange" no "odd"?
No 's dòcha gu bheil smuainean neònach a' tighinn thuige, nach eil? Some strange thoughts?

Agus chan eil mi a' tuigsinn nan facail dheireannach: though I would get there -- carson "còmhla"?
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Re: Òran Gàidhlig na Seachdain?

Unread postby poor_mouse » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:25 am

Nise, tha am bàrd a' sgrìobhadh nach tèid e gu Lochan an Fhaing.
Dè tha an t-ainm seo a' ciallachadh?
"Lake of seep-folder" (faing)? Ged a bhios seo "Lochan na Fainge" ma tha ("faing" - boir.), nach bi?
Lorg mi an t-ainm seo san eadar-lìon, agus chan fhaca mi e sa Bheurla.
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Re: Òran Gàidhlig na Seachdain?

Unread postby GunChleoc » Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:52 pm

Canaidh Mòrag Dhòmhnallach "siudach" fad an t-siubhail. Èistibh ri "A' Mire ri Mòr".

MDh says "siudach" all the time. Listen to "A' Mire ri Mòr".
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Re: Òran Gàidhlig na Seachdain?

Unread postby poor_mouse » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:32 pm

Seo dà rann deireannach:
Ri sneachd agus fuachd is gailleann on tuath,
Bhithinn-s’ aig bruaich òbain,
Is thiginn mun cuairt dhachaigh mu uair
Le tunnagan ruadh Norway.

Tha am bàrd ag ràdh gum biodh e a' sealg aig a' bhàgh bheag eadhan nuair a bhiodh i fuair agus garbh.
Bhiodh e a' toirt dhachaidh tunnagan, agus tha mi den bheachd gum biodh e dhachaidh mu uair feasgar an dèidh an sealg aige, nach biodh?

Gun crìochnaich mi an dàn on chaidh mi na dhàil,
Gun dùin mi gu bràth m’ òran;
Tha nitheigin ceàrr a b’ àbhaist bhith slàn
Na thinnsgeuladh bàis dhòmhsa.

Chan eil mi cinnteach mu dheidhinn "gun". A bheil e a' ciallachadh "untill" no "in order to"?
'S e puing gu math cudromach a tha ann!
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