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Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:21 am
by poor_mouse
Maybe it's trivial...
TYG by Robertson & Taylor, Aonad 11, còmhradh:
Feumaidh mi film eile a chuir anns a’ chamara mus fhalbh sinn.
...
Fhalbh thu ann ma thogras tu agus fuirichidh mise aig an tràigh gus an till thu.
What does this form "fhalbh" means in two cases?
And why
mus fhalbh sinn, but
gus an till thu?
And "an till" -- is it an interrogative form of the future tense or something else?
Cuidichibh, ma 's e ur toil e!
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:01 am
by akerbeltz
The first fhalbh is odd, I'd expect mus falbh.
The second is the unhelpful spelling of thalla, a verb form which only exists in the imperative (and which historically derives from falbh).
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:02 pm
by poor_mouse
Tapadh leibh!
So, both cases of "fhalbh" are rather strange in this dialogue.
As I indestand, the second case is imperative, isn't it?
And what about "gus an till thu" (vs "mus falbh sinn")?
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:44 pm
by GunChleoc
mus = before
gus = until
These little words don't all have the same grammar.
gus an till, far am bi...
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:09 pm
by poor_mouse
gus an till, far am bi -- interr. future,
cuin a bhios (-s fut.),
mus falbh -- what's this?
Though maybe it would be better for me to get on without haste; maybe further in this course it'll become more clear.
Ach 's e ceist eile ann (from the same dialogue):
Dè mu dheidhinn a dhol chun na tràghad on a tha an latha cho math?
What does this "on" mean? I know o, on, bho, bhon -- from, since; is that it?
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:05 pm
by GunChleoc
bho is often just o. That goes for all froms of bho, like bhon -> on, bhuam -> uam
I checked Colin Mark's, bhruidhinn mi ris mus do dh'fhalbh e. There is also a form mus + an which gets shortened to mun/mum. So, the same thing actually as far an and gus an.
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:06 am
by Thrissel
poor_mouse wrote:Ach 's e ceist eile ann (from the same dialogue):
Dè mu dheidhinn a dhol chun na tràghad on a tha an latha cho math?
What does this "on" mean? I know o, on, bho, bhon -- from, since; is that it?
R&T was my TYG as well and I remember this one troubled me too until I noticed the 'since'.
So you could tr*nsl*t* the sentence into English as
What about going to the beach, since/as/??? ??? the day is so good?!
The form of the verb following
mus is treated in Aonad 15, Gràmar 6; I don't remember a section about
gus though.
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:01 am
by poor_mouse
GunChleoc, Thrissel -- tapadh leibh!
I suspected that this "on" meant "since", but I didn't sure why "on", not "o", and so doubted a little.
Moreover, "since" has two meanings, and I was not sure that it might be "as, because of" here.
Tha sin soilleir gu leòr a-nis -- rè na h-ùine seo.
Eilidh
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:34 am
by GunChleoc
(bh)o + an = (bh)on
plural: bh(o) na
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:26 pm
by poor_mouse
Tha sin ceart, ach ...
what about "on a tha an latha cho math"?
Why "on" here, not "o"?
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:51 pm
by GunChleoc
Deagh cheist *gets Dictionary* (bh)on is a conjunction in this case, just like agus, no, ach,... this means it has a fixed form which happens to be on/bhon
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:24 pm
by poor_mouse
Mòran taing!
Thuigsinn mi "on" seo a-nis.
(A bheil sin ceart?)
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:29 pm
by GunChleoc
Tha mi a' tuigsinn an "on" seo a-nis.
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:38 am
by poor_mouse
Tha mi a' tuigsinn an "on" seo a-nis.
Mòran taing!
Re: Ceistean: TYG
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:39 am
by GunChleoc
'S e do bheatha!
