Fòram na Gàidhlig

Following a discussion in the tr*nsl*t**n project, here are the means to form a passive:

• Passive participle
  
  Tha an sgeul sgrìobhte a's a' leabhar
• Passives in bi + Noun Phrase + Aspect + (Possessive personal pronoun) + (lenited) Verbel Noun
  
  Tha an rìgh ga mharbhadh aig na searbhantan
  
  Tha = bi
  an rìgh = Noun Phrase
  ga = aig + a = Aspect + Possessive personal pronoun
  mharbhadh = lenited Verbal Noun
  
  
  Bi an rìgh air a mharbhadh - the king will be killed
  
  not to be confused with:
  
  Tha an rìgh ga mharbhadh - the king is killing him
• Passives in rach + Noun Phrase or Possessive personal pronoun + (lenited) Verbel Noun
  
  thèid am ball a phutadh a-steach - the ball will be kicked in
  thèid a phutadh a-steach - it will be kicked in
  chaidh falbh
• Impersonal endings
  
  Similar in meaning to usage of on in French
  
  chreachadh am baile

. Passive using the verb "gabh"

I came across the following in Litir do Luchd-ionnsachaidh 236:
gabhaidh a h-uile gin dhiubh faicinn air an eadar-lion: all of them can be seen on the internet. The use of the verb gabh here creates a passive which indicates a capability. Traditionally the verbal noun following gabh is not lenited eg gabhaidh e dèanamh(it can be done); an gabh sin a bhith(can that be [the case]?); thuirt e gun gabhadh an obair coileanadh ( he said the work could be completed);dè gabhas dèanamh ? (what can be done?) It is worth noting, however, that the verbal noun is commonly lenited today,particularly in Lewis, so that you might hear gabhaidh e a dhèanamh instead of gabhaidh e dèanamh.

Thanks to Ruairidh MacIlleathain.

"cha ghabh daoine tuigsinn"

abairt as toil leam

Chan eil fios agam [fhathast] air a' phassive. A bheil sin ceart mu dheidhinn "gabh"?

cafodd y dwr ei yfed - - ghabh an t-uisge ga òl
cei di fynd - - gabhaidh thu falbh
cafodd y ty ei losgi - - ghabh an taigh a losgadh

???

Anns a' Bheurla "the water got its drinking", "you get to gan", "the hoose got its burning" no rudeigin coltach.

Mar a sgrìobh Eideart: "indicates a capability"

gabh seo ithe - "this can be eaten" as in "this is edible"
gabh an t-uisge òl - "the water can be drunk" as in "it is drinking water"

Mar sin, 's e dòigh sònraichte dhen ghuth fhulangach (passive).

gabhaidh

ach aye, 's e rudeigin a tha comasach.
"cha ghabh sin dèanamh" - (that won't take doing) "that can't be done"
"gabhaidh sin ionnsachadh" - (that will take learning) "that can be learnt"
"ghabhadh sin dèanamh" - (that would take doing) "that could be done"

Tha an rìgh ga mharbhadh aig na searbhantan

Is this literally "The king is killing himself at the servants" and does it tr*nsl*t* as "the king is killed by the servants" or "the king is being killed by the servants"

Is "aig" the normal way of tr*nsl*t*ng "by" in an English sentence.

Is this a bit like using reflexive verbs to indicate the passive in French - except you can only use this construction in French in a general sense (le roi se tue - but not le roi se tue par les servants)

Also the TAIC site gives the construction

active tense of verb To Be + subject + air + possessive adjective + verbal noun.

which I suppose would be

Tha an rìgh air a mharbhadh

literally I suppose the king is on his killing

Have I got that right and can you say


Tha an rìgh air a mharbhadh aig na searbhantan

i'd say "le/leis" instead of aig, but aig might be a dialectical thing i don't know.

but yup, "tha an rìgh ga mharbhadh leis na searbhantan" - "the king is being killed (present tense) by the servants"

According to Lamb, you can use both aig and le.

Tha an rìgh air a mharbhadh aig na searbhantan should be correct.

ceist agam do dhuine sam bith aig a bheil fios

chaidh innse dhuinn gu bheil e an-còmhnaidh nas fhèarr bhith a' cleachdadh rach an àite am fear le air, far a bheil e idir comasach.

"chaidh a dhèanamh" an àite "tha e air a dhèanamh", mar eisimpleir. a bheil beachd aig duine eile? dhèanainn sgàradh san ciàll, ach 's e th' annam ach fear-ionnsachaidh iosal, is bu toil leam cluinntin o fhileantaich. dè 'n eòlas a th' agamsa?

Bidh mise a' cleachdach am fear le 'rach' gu math tric a bhith ag innse mu dheidhinn rudeigin a thachair mu thràth m.e. :

Chaidh ceud taighean air an togail an-uiridh

100 houses were built last year

Stìophan wrote: Chaidh ceud taighean air an togail an-uiridh

100 houses were built last year

Carson nach Chaidh ceud taighean a thogail an-uiridh ?
100 houses were built last year.

eideard wrote:

Stìophan wrote: Chaidh ceud taighean air an togail an-uiridh

100 houses were built last year

Carson nach Chaidh ceud taighean a thogail an-uiridh ?
100 houses were built last year.

Thu thu ceart Eideird!

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