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I'd like to ask on what syllable does the stress fall in compound words like "fo-bhaile" "ann-stealladh", "luath-mharcachd " "làr-ìosal"...
when the first element is not a noun, in particular

tapadh leibh!

On the first element, except for làr-ìosal.

If the first element is a prefix that isn't inflected and lenites the second element, then it carries the stress.

It's a bit more complicated than that, check out this page perhaps and see if that helps and we can then take it further?

Tapadh leibh

Cha d'fhuair mi an fhreagairt ma dheidhinn an prefix ann-! san fhacal "ann-stealladh" chan eil sèimheachadh chionn's nach sèimhichear "st-" uair sam bith...
ANN-stealladh neo ann-STEAlladh mar sin?

agus dè mar a fhuaimnichear "ann-" mar phrefix annashin? [aunˠ]? [anˠ]? [ənˠ]?

tapadh leibh

I'm not familiar with the word, but I'd stay the stress is on ann-, like I said in my other post

It tends to be of the modifying part of the noun i.e. in a compound, there is usually a 'basic' meaning provided by one word which is then modified in more detail by the other. For example sgian-dubh has the base sgian and the modifier dubh, taigh-tasgaidh has the base taigh and the modifier tasgaidh. When in doubt, assume that the stress is on the modifier, not the base.

Not too dissimilar to English cf white house vs WHITEhouse, blue bottle vs BLUEbottle

Make sense?

As for 'ann-',

Am Faclair Beag wrote:ann-dòchas /ãũN dɔːxəs/
fir. gin. -ais
despair, despondency

Ah, so ann- means the same as an-/ana-

'ann-' usually means 'in-'

ann-leag = inlay, ann-stealladh = inject.

The an/ana- prefix is either an intensifier (in Irish: an=very) eg- ana-mhòr = huge.

OR a negative prefix eg an-earbsach - distrustful.

ann-dòchas is given as a (secondary) equivalent to an-dòchas in Dwelly (along with several other examples of ann- = an), i.e. the ann- in that case = an = negative.

ann-dòchas is given as a (secondary) equivalent to an-dòchas in Dwelly (along with several other examples of ann- = an), i.e. the ann- in that case = an = negative.

Yes, the reason that AFB shows ann-dòchas rather than an-dòchas is the editorial rule that if two or more variants exists, the one that closest resembles the actual pronunciation is listed as the primary spelling. Hence also co-ionnann (as opposed to co-ionnan or co-ionann) where GOC just picks a random version but AFB lists =ionnann because the most widespread pronunciation has two strong /N/ sounds.

That makes sense!

So ann-stealladh is stressed on ann- ? to say injection
tapadh leibh

Yes.