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Gràisg
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Fhuair mi sanas bho charaid
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Cèid
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Hmm. Whoever wrote that apparently has a lot trouble with this "simple language." I have 10-year-old ESL students who write better English than that.
You know, it's been my experience as an ESL teacher of 15 or so years that students who are sloppy and flippant in their usage of one language tend to be so in whatever language they think is "superior" too, whether they want to admit it or not.
Anyhow, I'm glad I'm learning from Gaelic speakers who don't need this pathetic hostility towards English in order to promote Gaelic learning. Another thing I know from teaching language is that this kind of hostility doesn't make people that eager to learn from you.
You know, it's been my experience as an ESL teacher of 15 or so years that students who are sloppy and flippant in their usage of one language tend to be so in whatever language they think is "superior" too, whether they want to admit it or not.
Anyhow, I'm glad I'm learning from Gaelic speakers who don't need this pathetic hostility towards English in order to promote Gaelic learning. Another thing I know from teaching language is that this kind of hostility doesn't make people that eager to learn from you.
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Níall Beag
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You know, it's been my experience as an ESL teacher of 6 or so months that students who are snooty, arrogant and superior in their usage of one language tend to be so in whatever other language they learn too, whether they want to admit it or not.
In fact, it's been my experience as an ESL teacher of 6 months or so that the language taught in the ESL classroom is not natural English, and students that have been exposed to genuine, natural English are shamed by "correction" until they speak in the "superior" way defined by their teachers. This notion is completely pervasive; note how the satirical advert above lists Lord Snooty, Boris (Johnson, no doubt) and the Queen as members -- stereotypes all of how teachers would have us speak.
It is this flawed notion of "correctness" that sees learners attempt to "correct" natives' "bad" (ie natural) grammar, which often results in a smack in the chops.
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In fact, it's been my experience as an ESL teacher of 6 months or so that the language taught in the ESL classroom is not natural English, and students that have been exposed to genuine, natural English are shamed by "correction" until they speak in the "superior" way defined by their teachers. This notion is completely pervasive; note how the satirical advert above lists Lord Snooty, Boris (Johnson, no doubt) and the Queen as members -- stereotypes all of how teachers would have us speak.
It is this flawed notion of "correctness" that sees learners attempt to "correct" natives' "bad" (ie natural) grammar, which often results in a smack in the chops.
[This message was brought to you in Posh English, an artificial language constructed by teachers.]
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Neas Olc
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Indubitably my esteemed sir, you are justifiably precise in your above analysis of the aforementioned state of the English tongue with regards to her dissemination among those individuals of alternate linguistic background. If indeed one were to express oneself in an impeccably correct fashion in a quotidian context, one would perpetually receive most shameful derision to no end.
(tr*nsl*t**n: Yeah man, you're right about ESL English, if you speak snobby like that on the street people would constantly b*tch about it).
(tr*nsl*t**n: Yeah man, you're right about ESL English, if you speak snobby like that on the street people would constantly b*tch about it).
Tapadh leat a charaid.